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Lifestyle Changes After Breast Cancer Treatment

Since finishing breast cancer treatment, Shauna and Rosalina have been proactive in taking control of their health and wellness. In this episode, they discuss exercise, nutrition, managing stress, and what they are doing to improve their mental health.

 

Time stamps:

[00:05:14] Lack of joy after cancer.

[00:09:03] Struggling to be yourself.

[00:11:31] Comparing yourself to others.

[00:14:38] Work-life balance.

[00:18:02] Body image and weight loss.

[00:20:53] Gut health and cancer.

[00:24:29] Overperforming in work.

[00:27:39] Shifting Negative Thoughts.

[00:32:12] Nutritional education and holistic health.

[00:35:49] Oral health tips.

[00:39:11] Low toxic lifestyle.

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Transcript

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Why am I not losing weight if I am eating a lot better

 

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than I was and making a lot healthier choices?

 

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And it really came down to my gut health, post-chemo.

 

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My gut has just not been the same.

 

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You’re gonna have good days, you’re gonna have bad days,

 

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but as long as you recognize that the things

 

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that are not working for you anymore,

 

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you make progress into changing that little by little.

 

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Hi, everyone.

 

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Welcome to season two.

 

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This is Shauna.

 

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And this is Rosalina.

 

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And we’re your hosts for Too Young for This Show podcast.

 

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This podcast is not just about boobs,

 

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but a journey with cancer.

 

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We are young millennials open about giving you

 

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our raw and unfiltered look into our lives.

 

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We are in no way medical professionals,

 

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nor are we offering medical advice.

 

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Any medical references are cited directly

 

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from public websites or form our personal diagnosis.

 

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Some topics and stories may be triggering

 

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to those who are fighting, have fought,

 

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or have loved someone with cancer.

 

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Hi, everyone.

 

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This is Rosalina.

 

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This is Shauna.

 

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Welcome back to the Too Young for This Show podcast.

 

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In this episode, we’ll be talking about

 

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what steps Shauna and I have been taking

 

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to somewhat create our own healthy lifestyle,

 

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whatever that looks like to us.

 

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But I definitely want to mention before we start

 

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is that a healthy lifestyle simply means doing things

 

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that make you happy and feel good.

 

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You get to decide what your healthy lifestyle looks like.

 

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Shauna and I just want to give you just inspiration

 

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or if there’s something that you’re currently dealing with,

 

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maybe some of the things that we mentioned on this podcast

 

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could help you out, especially going through

 

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active treatment and going through all the traumatic events

 

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from breast cancer.

 

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Shauna and I are just simply just trying to get our life

 

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back together somewhat.

 

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And that means changing some of the things

 

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that currently wasn’t working for us in the past.

 

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Right, absolutely.

 

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And I think also post pandemic,

 

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because I feel like there was a lot of habits

 

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that I developed during the pandemic

 

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that were probably not the healthiest,

 

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I think in so many ways, whether it was drinking too much

 

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or things like that, like how I was eating

 

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and just like splurging on different things.

 

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And I don’t know, I just feel like my life

 

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the last essentially two years has been nothing normal.

 

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And now trying to find, like you said,

 

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that new normal, the new groove that I need to be in

 

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to maintain health and from a mental, physical standpoint.

 

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Yes.

 

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And also just like, yeah, being able to enjoy my life

 

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and trying to get back on track.

 

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So yes, it’s like a weird transition.

 

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Post cancer is like, it’s a lot harder

 

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than I imagined it was gonna be.

 

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And it’s taking a lot longer than I thought it would

 

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to also get back into a good groove.

 

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I don’t know if you’re experiencing the same.

 

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I think after radiation, I just really wanted

 

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to get back to normal as much as possible.

 

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So I tried to like force it.

 

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About six months later from radiation,

 

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I’ve been experiencing just a few things

 

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which we’ll get into.

 

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And now I’m trying to understand what’s best for me

 

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and how I could be more knowledgeable,

 

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aware of how I’m feeling mentally and my body’s feeling.

 

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But before we get into that,

 

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I want to ask you this question, Shauna,

 

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just about your mental struggles.

 

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What are you currently feeling

 

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or what have you been feeling for the past few months?

 

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So kind of like what you said,

 

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how you shifted post radiation,

 

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just of like trying to find that new normal

 

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and doing it as fast as possible.

 

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I did the same.

 

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I like went from not working to back at work

 

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like 50 to 60 hours a week.

 

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There was no transition, real transition into that.

 

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So I definitely like kind of pushed it.

 

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My fatigue after radiation was like,

 

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I mean next level, like nothing I’ve ever experienced.

 

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I was crying all the time,

 

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just like really struggling

 

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to kind of get back on track.

 

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And at the same time in so much pain post radiation,

 

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like from hormone therapy, from the Lupron shot,

 

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I think just what my body had went through the last year,

 

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it all caught up to me, I feel like after the holidays.

 

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January and February were really, really hard for me.

 

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I felt like all I was doing was working.

 

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I felt like, if I wasn’t at work,

 

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I was at a doctor’s appointment.

 

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And then I would be home and I would be so exhausted

 

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and just miserable and crying all the time.

 

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And then I was kind of like realizing

 

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like my quality of life, I think after radiation

 

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was just like basically in the negatives.

 

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I was so unhappy.

 

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I really, I was just kept like saying,

 

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I feel like I don’t have any joy.

 

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Like I’m going to work, I’m going to the doctor’s,

 

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I’m coming home and then having like 48 hours on the weekend

 

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to try to like get my life together,

 

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like trying to be social, trying to get errands done,

 

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like clean my apartment.

 

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Like, it’s just to do that in like 48 hours.

 

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Like I just kept prioritizing like, okay,

 

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like if I get everything I need to get done,

 

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I’ll feel accomplished.

 

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And even though I felt like, okay, like, yeah,

 

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I was getting things done, like I was lacking the joy.

 

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I just beat cancer and I’m miserable.

 

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There’s no joy.

 

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And so that I think took me a couple of months

 

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to try to like figure out.

 

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I had just come out of the worst, obviously year of my life

 

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and like seeing people and like always like the top,

 

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the topic of conversation after seeing everyone was like,

 

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oh, like how are you doing?

 

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You know, and it’s like, I just,

 

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not that I wanted to like forget that it ever happened to me,

 

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but like, I guess you do like in a sense,

 

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want to not talk about it.

 

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Like I have been, you know, kind of going out

 

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with like new, new friends, you know,

 

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like girlfriends of like Matt’s friends

 

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and they are essentially like new friends.

 

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And it’s been so refreshing to like be around people

 

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and like, you know, like they’ve asked,

 

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but like, this is not like what I’m talking about constantly,

 

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which is so nice.

 

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It is like, finally feel like I’m back on like a track

 

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of just like getting to not where like cancer

 

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is just like a hundred percent every day.

 

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But socially, I felt like I was struggling.

 

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I don’t know if you felt like that.

 

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Like I felt like I didn’t know how to like talk to people.

 

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And I think that that comes from like a pandemic side too

 

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of just like not socializing like I was.

 

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And like meeting new people,

 

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I almost like don’t know how to act.

 

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I don’t know how to like be the social person

 

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I was like before this.

 

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So I don’t know,

 

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is that like something you’re struggling with as well?

 

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Yeah, so I would say like definitely in the beginning

 

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in January when I was just like ready to essentially,

 

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to be honest, like forget about cancer.

 

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I wanted to create this whole nother like Rosalina.

 

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And I was trying to create someone

 

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who was different from how I was pre-cancer.

 

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So I wanted to be like extroverted

 

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and I wanted to just be someone who,

 

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who I guess I’ve always secretly wanted to be in a way.

 

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So I try to be super social.

 

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I try to forget about what happened to me in the past year.

 

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And so when I was making new friends,

 

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they don’t know what I want to do.

 

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You’re new to LA as well.

 

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You sound like you moved to LA

 

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and like had like a social circle.

 

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So you’re having to build a social circle.

 

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

 

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I had to build friendships.

 

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I had to start that all over essentially,

 

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which I’m used to and I don’t mind doing that.

 

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But I try to mask what happened to me.

 

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Then it got into the point that like I couldn’t do that.

 

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And when I was trying to be someone,

 

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not that who I’m not because like,

 

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people change all the time and you know,

 

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you can do whatever you want.

 

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You can be whoever you want.

 

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But essentially I felt deep inside

 

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that I was like lying to myself

 

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and not embracing like what I went through

 

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because essentially I am a breast cancer survivor

 

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and I need to remember that.

 

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And so I would try to act normal, be normal, live more,

 

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like vicariously, eat whatever I want,

 

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do whatever I want essentially.

 

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And I think it all caught up to me.

 

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I just thought of this right now

 

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and I wanted to mention this

 

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because this makes so much sense.

 

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So when I was trying to be someone else

 

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and mask the trauma that I went through

 

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and how I mentioned it felt like I was lying to myself,

 

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I did that because in my mind,

 

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I thought if people knew that I went through breast cancer,

 

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would they still want to be my friend?

 

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And I know that sounds so disheartening for sure,

 

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but I really felt that way in the beginning.

 

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And so I tried to push that away as much as possible.

 

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But what I realized and what I was working through

 

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with my spiritual coach and my therapist

 

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is that you need to be true to yourself.

 

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And if people don’t accept you,

 

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especially since you’ve gone through this traumatic experience

 

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and it doesn’t wholeheartedly define who you are,

 

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you’re so much more than just a breast cancer survivor,

 

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then they’re not worth your time.

 

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And so that’s how I shifted my mindset of just like,

 

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if you’re not filling my cup essentially,

 

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what you can provide to me and what I can provide to you

 

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in the sense of who we are as people,

 

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not necessarily what I’m labeled as,

 

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and you’re not worth my time.

 

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I think so unfairly too, I kept comparing me to you.

 

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I kept being like, Rosalina’s doing so great.

 

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She’s just living life and just really like,

 

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I mean, I was just like a disaster crying all the time

 

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and I had a mess and that I’d see you

 

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and going to concerts and vacations.

 

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And I’m just like, she’s doing great.

 

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Why can’t I be like her?

 

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I know that’s so unfair because our situations

 

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are so different, but I kept doing that.

 

231

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And I think that that for me was like so detrimental,

 

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I think to my own mental health.

 

233

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Like I had nothing to do with you.

 

234

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It was like me projecting like,

 

235

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this is how I should be doing this.

 

236

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And then on the other hand, like you’re doing it.

 

237

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And then you’re saying like, it all caught up to you.

 

238

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Like there’s only so much, not that you can fake it,

 

239

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because I don’t think you were faking it.

 

240

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I think you were just trying so hard to make something work

 

241

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that wasn’t working, like that wasn’t fitting.

 

242

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Like, is that what you’re saying?

 

243

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That’s exactly what I’m saying.

 

244

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Yep.

 

245

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Right.

 

246

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And like, it’s unfair for me to compare my situation

 

247

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to your situation where it’s me have different,

 

248

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like our jobs are different,

 

249

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who we are as people are so different.

 

250

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Like it’s not fair to do that.

 

251

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But I think like I was actually like,

 

252

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I in me doing so was like detrimental to my own mental health.

 

253

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It’s hard to not compare yourself, right?

 

254

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It is hard.

 

255

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When you go on social media and you see,

 

256

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you know, all the happy faces and everyone who like

 

257

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finished treatment and just going off with their lives,

 

258

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like you wonder, shit, am I doing something wrong?

 

259

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But I think just re-centering yourself

 

260

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and sometimes even getting off of social media

 

261

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and just, you know, focusing on who you are,

 

262

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who you want to be and what you’re currently going through

 

263

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is valid.

 

264

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Right.

 

265

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And there’s no one size fits all

 

266

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on how everyone should be handling post-treatment.

 

267

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I mean, there really isn’t.

 

268

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And it’s like so important, I think, to like note that.

 

269

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And I think we’re all just like doing the best we can.

 

270

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And now just also trying to figure out like

 

271

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what works for us.

 

272

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Like, and I think for me, I don’t know if you are in like,

 

273

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what fills my cup?

 

274

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Yes, yes.

 

275

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The analogy of like, what is filling my cup?

 

276

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What is not?

 

277

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And that I think in the last,

 

278

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I’d say like the last month or so, month and a half or so,

 

279

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has been like a big thing for me of like picking

 

280

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and choosing what is gonna be worth it.

 

281

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What’s gonna be, right?

 

282

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Like what’s gonna bring me joy?

 

283

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What is gonna fulfill me?

 

284

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What is, and I think like allowing myself to do that,

 

285

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you know, like, listen, I can check every list,

 

286

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they do everything on my checklist of things I wanna do

 

287

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to my apartment, you know, like, you know,

 

288

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keeping my life organized and tidy

 

289

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in every sense and like, I could check all that off,

 

290

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but like, is that gonna really fill my cup?

 

291

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Or like if me going to brunch with new friends,

 

292

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you know, meeting new people,

 

293

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having a different experience, gonna fill my cup.

 

294

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You know, even though I don’t get all those things done.

 

295

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So that I think has like been the balance.

 

296

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I’m trying to find the balance.

 

297

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I think that there’s been like a whole collection of things

 

298

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that like we have both adapted, you know,

 

299

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what has worked for us to get us to this point.

 

300

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So what are some of the things that you have done?

 

301

00:14:26,640 –> 00:14:30,400

Maintaining just a close connection with friends,

 

302

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but also with my family.

 

303

00:14:32,760 –> 00:14:35,840

After this cancer shit, you know,

 

304

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we’ve created more of a closer connection.

 

305

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And I value, even though I valued family before,

 

306

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I feel like I value it more now.

 

307

00:14:44,840 –> 00:14:47,000

I value my partner.

 

308

00:14:47,000 –> 00:14:51,880

We have a close bond and he’s my best friend.

 

309

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I value sleep.

 

310

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Before cancer, I would go to sleep at like 2 a.m., 3 a.m.

 

311

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It’s just fucking insane sometimes.

 

312

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So I definitely don’t do that anymore.

 

313

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And I value my sleep.

 

314

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Creating an environment that’s less stressful

 

315

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and just doing things that make me happy.

 

316

00:15:12,680 –> 00:15:17,680

So in October, I got a new job

 

317

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and I’ve been working there, you know, less than a year.

 

318

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And I feel so happy and appreciative.

 

319

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And I have a work-life balance.

 

320

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And whenever I need to go to the doctor’s appointment,

 

321

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I don’t need to like over-explain myself.

 

322

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You know, I think the whole first few months of 2022,

 

323

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I was really overworking myself, like very much so.

 

324

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I felt because my employers were so amazing

 

325

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and gave me the time off.

 

326

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And so when I came back that I had to be on and 100%

 

327

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and I work with two very young children.

 

328

00:15:56,400 –> 00:15:57,760

Jonna is a nanny, by the way.

 

329

00:15:57,760 –> 00:15:59,240

Yeah, a nanny in New York.

 

330

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And it was killing me, like literally from every standpoint,

 

331

00:16:03,920 –> 00:16:07,280

like emotionally, physically, I was so exhausted.

 

332

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And I was coming home and I was so miserable that it was,

 

333

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it was affecting my relationship with my partner.

 

334

00:16:12,280 –> 00:16:15,120

I didn’t have the energy to put into it.

 

335

00:16:15,120 –> 00:16:17,200

My partner had started a new job in the fall

 

336

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and we were both like, basically it felt like living,

 

337

00:16:19,280 –> 00:16:21,160

like we were living in the same house,

 

338

00:16:21,160 –> 00:16:23,760

but we were like living two different lives, you know?

 

339

00:16:23,760 –> 00:16:25,840

And it affected our relationship a lot.

 

340

00:16:25,840 –> 00:16:28,640

And I think, you know, now that I have been prioritizing,

 

341

00:16:28,640 –> 00:16:31,960

like doing fun things, making sure that I have that joy

 

342

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so that I’m not this miserable, sad,

 

343

00:16:34,000 –> 00:16:35,240

crying person all the time,

 

344

00:16:35,240 –> 00:16:37,640

I think has been definitely helping.

 

345

00:16:37,640 –> 00:16:39,720

I think all my relationships with my friends,

 

346

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you know, I think we all have those friends

 

347

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that we like been to, you know, having a bad day,

 

348

00:16:43,360 –> 00:16:45,360

but it was getting to the point where I was like talking

 

349

00:16:45,360 –> 00:16:47,080

to like even like my best friend, Maddie,

 

350

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and being like just crying all the time.

 

351

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And like, I don’t, it wasn’t fair to like put all of my shit

 

352

00:16:52,200 –> 00:16:53,240

on everybody else.

 

353

00:16:53,240 –> 00:16:56,360

So yes, I think being social has helped, you know,

 

354

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all of my relationships and trying to just like make sure

 

355

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that we’re having fun.

 

356

00:16:59,920 –> 00:17:01,440

I think it’s so important.

 

357

00:17:01,440 –> 00:17:03,120

But yeah, my work life was killing me.

 

358

00:17:03,120 –> 00:17:05,400

I had to like kind of sit down with my boss and say,

 

359

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you know, like not that I have to cut back on hours,

 

360

00:17:08,480 –> 00:17:11,160

but if I could come in later on certain days,

 

361

00:17:11,160 –> 00:17:15,240

I mean, I’m there from basically 7.45 to 7 PM.

 

362

00:17:15,240 –> 00:17:17,000

Like it’s almost a 12 hour day.

 

363

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Their life is a hectic.

 

364

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They have two kids that are under three years old.

 

365

00:17:21,440 –> 00:17:24,720

They want to go on all these trips and have friends

 

366

00:17:24,720 –> 00:17:27,960

and you know, they want to change my work schedule.

 

367

00:17:27,960 –> 00:17:32,640

It’s become like a lot to also manage my life and their life.

 

368

00:17:32,640 –> 00:17:34,760

So I’m trying to find that work balance.

 

369

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I think this summer is going to really be

 

370

00:17:37,320 –> 00:17:39,160

like a good test of that.

 

371

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My body is still healing.

 

372

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And I think that’s another thing that I absolutely

 

373

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need to remember is like, my body is needs to heal

 

374

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from the inside out too.

 

375

00:17:47,640 –> 00:17:49,400

And that’s like another thing that I feel like,

 

376

00:17:49,400 –> 00:17:53,160

I, you know, I’ve been really on myself about the weight

 

377

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that I gained during treatment.

 

378

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This is like right now the heaviest I’ve ever been.

 

379

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And then also being on the hormone meds,

 

380

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not being able to lose weight.

 

381

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And I’ve been really hard on myself.

 

382

00:18:04,000 –> 00:18:06,360

I mean, I’ve always had like a very pear shaped body.

 

383

00:18:06,360 –> 00:18:08,520

I’ve always gained weight in like my legs and my butt,

 

384

00:18:08,520 –> 00:18:10,680

but like, I feel like I gained weight in places

 

385

00:18:10,680 –> 00:18:12,240

that I never gained weight before this.

 

386

00:18:12,240 –> 00:18:14,240

And I was really being hard on myself.

 

387

00:18:14,240 –> 00:18:16,840

Now that I am off of the hormone meds

 

388

00:18:16,840 –> 00:18:19,840

and like my body is regulating back to my regulating back,

 

389

00:18:19,840 –> 00:18:22,120

like my hormones are starting to regulate now,

 

390

00:18:22,120 –> 00:18:25,720

I’ve lost some weight and like feeling really good about it.

 

391

00:18:25,720 –> 00:18:28,920

As terrified I am to like have my hormones back,

 

392

00:18:28,920 –> 00:18:31,280

like there is a part of me that feels like I’m back.

 

393

00:18:31,280 –> 00:18:35,080

My pre-cancer body is back, like by how I’m feeling,

 

394

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like I’m not in so much pain.

 

395

00:18:37,120 –> 00:18:40,080

I met with like a nutritionist from my cancer center

 

396

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to kind of like figure out what can I do?

 

397

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What can I do?

 

398

00:18:43,000 –> 00:18:45,200

I’m losing my rings every day, but I’m not losing any weight.

 

399

00:18:45,200 –> 00:18:47,240

Now I’m starting to see some weight loss,

 

400

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which is like kind of, it’s good for like my mental health too.

 

401

00:18:50,520 –> 00:18:53,600

Like to me, it’s like being being quote unquote healthy,

 

402

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which it is.

 

403

00:18:54,440 –> 00:18:56,640

I have never been this heavy in my life.

 

404

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I wanna be at a good weight.

 

405

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Just wanna feel good.

 

406

00:18:58,760 –> 00:19:00,440

Like honestly, that’s really what it comes down to.

 

407

00:19:00,440 –> 00:19:02,800

Like not from like a number on the scale,

 

408

00:19:02,800 –> 00:19:05,160

but like I just want to feel good in my body.

 

409

00:19:05,160 –> 00:19:06,400

I want my body to feel good.

 

410

00:19:06,400 –> 00:19:08,280

I want my body to feel like it’s being nourished.

 

411

00:19:08,280 –> 00:19:10,720

And it’s just like I was living in a foreign body

 

412

00:19:10,720 –> 00:19:12,760

and then trying to navigate that

 

413

00:19:12,760 –> 00:19:15,040

is just, it was hard trying to figure out,

 

414

00:19:15,040 –> 00:19:17,280

you know, like what I need to be eating more of,

 

415

00:19:17,280 –> 00:19:18,520

eating less of.

 

416

00:19:18,520 –> 00:19:22,400

I’m really trying to curve my like sweet tooth,

 

417

00:19:22,400 –> 00:19:24,880

which I feel like I have in the last couple of weeks

 

418

00:19:24,880 –> 00:19:27,240

of Matt and I are like big ice cream people.

 

419

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I love ice cream.

 

420

00:19:28,360 –> 00:19:29,960

That’s what I want at night.

 

421

00:19:29,960 –> 00:19:32,560

It’s terrible, you know, but I’ve like shifted to now

 

422

00:19:32,560 –> 00:19:33,720

like I have an apple in the evening.

 

423

00:19:33,720 –> 00:19:35,840

I’m big on apples right now.

 

424

00:19:35,840 –> 00:19:37,360

You know, so just like things like that,

 

425

00:19:37,360 –> 00:19:40,320

like those little minor, even like tweaks

 

426

00:19:40,320 –> 00:19:41,840

on my eating habits.

 

427

00:19:41,840 –> 00:19:43,680

You know, like trying to eat like a little bit more

 

428

00:19:43,680 –> 00:19:47,200

like gluten-free now than I am like I ever was.

 

429

00:19:47,200 –> 00:19:49,960

I’m like, you know, a lot of protein.

 

430

00:19:49,960 –> 00:19:53,120

I’m like, you know, especially for like surgery,

 

431

00:19:53,120 –> 00:19:54,200

healing and things like that,

 

432

00:19:54,200 –> 00:19:55,360

like trying to make sure that I have

 

433

00:19:55,360 –> 00:19:57,040

like a certain amount of protein every day.

 

434

00:19:57,040 –> 00:19:57,880

Yep.

 

435

00:19:57,880 –> 00:20:00,000

It’s kind of exhausting, but at the same time,

 

436

00:20:00,000 –> 00:20:02,760

it’s like, I know for the long run,

 

437

00:20:02,760 –> 00:20:05,960

it’s gonna be, it will get easier and I’ll feel better.

 

438

00:20:05,960 –> 00:20:06,800

Right.

 

439

00:20:06,800 –> 00:20:10,520

Do you feel that, I don’t know how many times you see

 

440

00:20:10,520 –> 00:20:14,520

the nutritionist, but have she given you some pointers

 

441

00:20:14,520 –> 00:20:16,440

that are helping you?

 

442

00:20:16,440 –> 00:20:19,200

She felt like really pissed after seeing her

 

443

00:20:19,200 –> 00:20:22,120

because it was just like, I like took time out of my day

 

444

00:20:22,120 –> 00:20:24,160

for her to give me the generic, you know,

 

445

00:20:24,160 –> 00:20:25,920

like eat your vegetables.

 

446

00:20:25,920 –> 00:20:27,080

Like I’m doing all that shit.

 

447

00:20:27,080 –> 00:20:30,480

I’m doing everything and my weight is not budging.

 

448

00:20:30,480 –> 00:20:33,440

And everything she told me, it’s like literally what like

 

449

00:20:33,440 –> 00:20:35,320

my oncologist was telling me the whole time,

 

450

00:20:35,320 –> 00:20:36,440

eat a balanced diet.

 

451

00:20:36,440 –> 00:20:38,680

Like, no, like she kind of pissed me off.

 

452

00:20:38,680 –> 00:20:39,760

So I’m not gonna lie to you.

 

453

00:20:39,760 –> 00:20:42,280

I also started to really shift, like,

 

454

00:20:42,280 –> 00:20:45,520

why am I not losing weight if I am like eating a lot better

 

455

00:20:45,520 –> 00:20:47,840

than I was and like making a lot healthier choices.

 

456

00:20:47,840 –> 00:20:49,800

And like, it really came down to like my gut health.

 

457

00:20:49,800 –> 00:20:50,640

Yes.

 

458

00:20:50,640 –> 00:20:53,000

Like post-chemo, like my gut has just like not been the same

 

459

00:20:53,000 –> 00:20:55,920

with my GI issues, you know,

 

460

00:20:55,920 –> 00:20:58,800

heartburn, stomach issues, pain, bloating.

 

461

00:20:58,800 –> 00:21:00,320

I feel bloated all the time.

 

462

00:21:00,320 –> 00:21:02,320

I’ve never experienced this before.

 

463

00:21:02,320 –> 00:21:05,920

And finally, I had talked to my radiology oncologist,

 

464

00:21:05,920 –> 00:21:08,840

nurse practitioner who I adore and she’s so thorough.

 

465

00:21:08,840 –> 00:21:10,320

She’s like one of the most thorough,

 

466

00:21:10,320 –> 00:21:12,960

like people that I’ve seen in my entire cancer journey.

 

467

00:21:12,960 –> 00:21:14,040

And she was just like,

 

468

00:21:14,040 –> 00:21:15,760

I need you to get tested for a bunch of things.

 

469

00:21:15,760 –> 00:21:18,240

Like, I need you to go see this gastro doctor.

 

470

00:21:18,240 –> 00:21:20,040

Like, let’s get this on track because it’s like,

 

471

00:21:20,040 –> 00:21:22,160

obviously affecting, like it’s affecting my mood.

 

472

00:21:22,160 –> 00:21:26,800

I’m exhausted, the fatigue, like I’m uncomfortable,

 

473

00:21:26,800 –> 00:21:29,880

have this like belly, like that I’ve never had before.

 

474

00:21:29,880 –> 00:21:31,680

I never gained weight in my stomach and now I do.

 

475

00:21:31,680 –> 00:21:34,280

And really bloated and uncomfortable feeling.

 

476

00:21:34,280 –> 00:21:37,880

And so I ended up going to see a gastro doctor, which,

 

477

00:21:37,880 –> 00:21:40,120

you know, they started to run a bunch of tests

 

478

00:21:40,120 –> 00:21:42,120

and I will have an endoscopy at the end of June

 

479

00:21:42,120 –> 00:21:43,840

to kind of like go in and like see.

 

480

00:21:43,840 –> 00:21:47,280

But she does believe that there is like a bacterial,

 

481

00:21:47,280 –> 00:21:49,400

you know, I have good bacteria fighting bad bacteria.

 

482

00:21:49,400 –> 00:21:52,640

And this is like just what chemo did to my gut.

 

483

00:21:52,640 –> 00:21:54,360

And like now just trying to figure out

 

484

00:21:54,360 –> 00:21:56,640

how to get myself like back on track.

 

485

00:21:56,640 –> 00:21:59,400

Like I’ve, I mean, I’m in like, like microbiome,

 

486

00:21:59,400 –> 00:22:02,720

like Reddit groups of just like, what did people do?

 

487

00:22:02,720 –> 00:22:04,440

Like what probiotics are you taking?

 

488

00:22:04,440 –> 00:22:05,880

Is it a probiotic that’s like,

 

489

00:22:05,880 –> 00:22:07,600

you think is messing up your gut?

 

490

00:22:07,600 –> 00:22:11,480

So yeah, I’ve been really just trying to get the gut

 

491

00:22:11,480 –> 00:22:15,240

under control, because I think that that is also affecting

 

492

00:22:15,240 –> 00:22:16,840

my fatigue, my mood.

 

493

00:22:16,840 –> 00:22:19,400

Not a lot of people talk about the health.

 

494

00:22:19,400 –> 00:22:21,480

Let me just say at all.

 

495

00:22:21,480 –> 00:22:26,480

So I am so happy that you’re,

 

496

00:22:26,680 –> 00:22:30,600

I think it’s your radiation oncologist nurse, right?

 

497

00:22:30,600 –> 00:22:31,760

Yeah, she’s great, I love her.

 

498

00:22:31,760 –> 00:22:35,080

Yes, I’m so happy that she mentioned that.

 

499

00:22:35,080 –> 00:22:38,440

Sometimes you just think that you can’t get the weight off

 

500

00:22:38,440 –> 00:22:40,320

because of the stuff they’re eating,

 

501

00:22:40,320 –> 00:22:45,320

where it could just be that you have a leaky gut

 

502

00:22:46,080 –> 00:22:50,400

and there are just bad bacteria that’s just taking over

 

503

00:22:50,400 –> 00:22:52,920

that, you know, it’s just really difficult

 

504

00:22:52,920 –> 00:22:55,240

for you to lose that weight.

 

505

00:22:55,240 –> 00:22:57,760

Yeah, I think that’s super important

 

506

00:22:57,760 –> 00:23:00,280

and it should be talked about more often.

 

507

00:23:00,280 –> 00:23:04,640

But I do want to say in the beginning, Shana,

 

508

00:23:04,640 –> 00:23:09,280

when you went back to work and you were going back full time

 

509

00:23:09,280 –> 00:23:14,280

and just hearing more and more about what you were going

 

510

00:23:14,280 –> 00:23:19,280

through and the long hours that you had to work,

 

511

00:23:19,880 –> 00:23:22,720

I really, really felt for you.

 

512

00:23:22,720 –> 00:23:26,320

And I wish that I could just like come

 

513

00:23:26,320 –> 00:23:28,000

and like just give you a hug.

 

514

00:23:28,000 –> 00:23:31,720

I knew that was drowning you.

 

515

00:23:31,720 –> 00:23:36,720

And I wanted you to make the choice of talking to your boss

 

516

00:23:39,560 –> 00:23:43,680

and explaining, hey, like my body is healing still

 

517

00:23:43,680 –> 00:23:47,960

and I mentally and physically like can’t do this.

 

518

00:23:47,960 –> 00:23:52,040

And I believe you had that conversation at one point

 

519

00:23:52,040 –> 00:23:56,320

with your boss and that is just so important

 

520

00:23:56,320 –> 00:24:01,000

just to being true to yourself and realizing

 

521

00:24:01,000 –> 00:24:05,120

what you can do and what you physically and mentally can’t do.

 

522

00:24:05,120 –> 00:24:08,360

I know, I think that it was really in my own way.

 

523

00:24:08,360 –> 00:24:10,880

You know, I put so much pressure on myself,

 

524

00:24:10,880 –> 00:24:13,320

like feeling like I needed to be a hundred percent,

 

525

00:24:13,320 –> 00:24:15,880

like rather than just saying like, you know,

 

526

00:24:15,880 –> 00:24:17,640

I need to go home a little early today,

 

527

00:24:17,640 –> 00:24:21,440

like I’m not doing well, you know, and just, I pushed it.

 

528

00:24:21,440 –> 00:24:23,760

I pushed it too hard because I didn’t want

 

529

00:24:23,760 –> 00:24:25,360

to disappoint anybody.

 

530

00:24:25,360 –> 00:24:26,280

Like I didn’t want, you know,

 

531

00:24:26,280 –> 00:24:29,160

like I didn’t want my employers to think like they waited,

 

532

00:24:29,160 –> 00:24:32,040

they got a temporary nanny and like waited for me to come back.

 

533

00:24:32,040 –> 00:24:34,400

They like wanted to keep me on and I wanted to be there.

 

534

00:24:34,400 –> 00:24:38,040

So I felt like I really needed to like perform, overperform.

 

535

00:24:38,040 –> 00:24:39,640

And I mean, I did the best I can,

 

536

00:24:39,640 –> 00:24:42,360

but I killed myself doing it and it wasn’t on them.

 

537

00:24:42,360 –> 00:24:43,200

It was me.

 

538

00:24:43,200 –> 00:24:45,080

It was the only pressure I was putting on myself.

 

539

00:24:45,080 –> 00:24:46,480

I didn’t feel like it was them.

 

540

00:24:46,480 –> 00:24:47,320

It was me.

 

541

00:24:47,320 –> 00:24:49,120

It was me doing it to myself.

 

542

00:24:49,120 –> 00:24:51,640

And like that also like isn’t a fair thing to do.

 

543

00:24:51,640 –> 00:24:56,080

I thought I just was on this like wave of like,

 

544

00:24:56,080 –> 00:24:57,680

you’re failing and get it together.

 

545

00:24:57,680 –> 00:25:00,400

And like, I saw I was overperforming in every aspect

 

546

00:25:00,400 –> 00:25:03,240

of my life and caught up to me and it wasn’t great.

 

547

00:25:03,240 –> 00:25:08,240

And you know, I’m trying to figure out how to,

 

548

00:25:08,880 –> 00:25:10,840

to find the balance and everything.

 

549

00:25:10,840 –> 00:25:12,520

Yeah. At the end of the day,

 

550

00:25:12,520 –> 00:25:14,440

like you don’t want to lose your job.

 

551

00:25:14,440 –> 00:25:17,040

No one wants to lose their job, right?

 

552

00:25:17,040 –> 00:25:19,720

So like, because they gave you all this time,

 

553

00:25:19,720 –> 00:25:23,160

like you felt like you needed to perform,

 

554

00:25:23,160 –> 00:25:25,880

like you needed to give everything to them

 

555

00:25:25,880 –> 00:25:27,920

because they gave everything to you.

 

556

00:25:27,920 –> 00:25:30,640

Right. And I, and I was like a machine.

 

557

00:25:30,640 –> 00:25:32,600

Like I felt like I’m not a machine.

 

558

00:25:32,600 –> 00:25:34,920

I need to rest.

 

559

00:25:34,920 –> 00:25:37,520

My body is still like in no shape to even be working

 

560

00:25:37,520 –> 00:25:38,600

these hours right now.

 

561

00:25:38,600 –> 00:25:41,600

And like, I had to shift it to like, I doing,

 

562

00:25:41,600 –> 00:25:43,400

I’m going to do the best I can.

 

563

00:25:43,400 –> 00:25:45,080

If it doesn’t work for them,

 

564

00:25:45,080 –> 00:25:46,880

then they have to do obviously what is best

 

565

00:25:46,880 –> 00:25:49,440

for their family dynamic and like their family.

 

566

00:25:49,440 –> 00:25:51,480

And like, if it’s replacing me, then it’s replacing me.

 

567

00:25:51,480 –> 00:25:53,800

But like, I can only give so much.

 

568

00:25:53,800 –> 00:25:56,400

And I think like, when it comes to even like a mind shift,

 

569

00:25:56,400 –> 00:26:00,520

I’ve had to mind shift a lot of things recently,

 

570

00:26:00,520 –> 00:26:03,800

I feel like of just when it comes to stress,

 

571

00:26:03,800 –> 00:26:05,280

like stress in general,

 

572

00:26:05,280 –> 00:26:09,200

what stress can do to your body is just so unbelievable.

 

573

00:26:09,200 –> 00:26:13,480

And I am somebody that always needs to be 20 steps ahead.

 

574

00:26:13,480 –> 00:26:17,120

I need to literally pick apart every situation

 

575

00:26:17,120 –> 00:26:21,280

and expect all of these crazy things

 

576

00:26:21,280 –> 00:26:22,960

that could ever possibly happen

 

577

00:26:22,960 –> 00:26:25,880

and that probably won’t because if I am caught off guard,

 

578

00:26:25,880 –> 00:26:28,440

it’s way worse for me.

 

579

00:26:28,440 –> 00:26:30,040

You know, like if I can at least expect

 

580

00:26:30,040 –> 00:26:33,000

that it’s going to happen and mentally prepare myself,

 

581

00:26:33,000 –> 00:26:35,160

I’m way better in that situation.

 

582

00:26:35,160 –> 00:26:37,880

But that requires so much energy, right?

 

583

00:26:37,880 –> 00:26:40,560

It requires like an obscene amount of energy

 

584

00:26:40,560 –> 00:26:41,680

to have to live like that.

 

585

00:26:41,680 –> 00:26:43,440

And that also causes a lot of stress.

 

586

00:26:43,440 –> 00:26:47,560

And like living in a body like that constantly is exhausting.

 

587

00:26:47,560 –> 00:26:48,440

I recognize it.

 

588

00:26:48,440 –> 00:26:50,560

I’ve recognized that I’ve lived my life like this,

 

589

00:26:50,560 –> 00:26:53,920

probably my entire life, which obviously comes

 

590

00:26:53,920 –> 00:26:58,920

from how I grew up and the amount of like chaos

 

591

00:26:59,880 –> 00:27:01,120

in the house that I grew up in.

 

592

00:27:01,120 –> 00:27:04,640

And these are coping mechanisms, defense mechanisms,

 

593

00:27:04,640 –> 00:27:05,960

like I’m aware of it.

 

594

00:27:05,960 –> 00:27:08,760

And I talk about it in therapy and my therapist,

 

595

00:27:08,760 –> 00:27:11,240

I mean, I was having like crazy, crazy,

 

596

00:27:11,240 –> 00:27:15,200

like basically like PTSD moments.

 

597

00:27:15,200 –> 00:27:19,600

Like I was having like very, very visual thoughts

 

598

00:27:19,600 –> 00:27:22,520

of like getting hit by a car, getting into car accidents,

 

599

00:27:22,520 –> 00:27:24,120

getting hit by a car with the baby,

 

600

00:27:24,120 –> 00:27:25,800

pushing the baby in the stroller that I was working at.

 

601

00:27:25,800 –> 00:27:27,160

Like that is crazy.

 

602

00:27:27,160 –> 00:27:28,680

Like, and it got to the point where I was in therapy

 

603

00:27:28,680 –> 00:27:29,760

being like, am I crazy?

 

604

00:27:29,760 –> 00:27:31,800

Like, why am I thinking like this?

 

605

00:27:31,800 –> 00:27:34,040

I don’t even know why I’m thinking like this.

 

606

00:27:34,040 –> 00:27:35,800

Like they’re obviously like,

 

607

00:27:35,800 –> 00:27:37,800

this could happen to me at any point, you know?

 

608

00:27:37,800 –> 00:27:38,640

I could be walking down the street

 

609

00:27:38,640 –> 00:27:39,760

and get hit by a car at any point,

 

610

00:27:39,760 –> 00:27:41,560

but like why in this moment right now

 

611

00:27:41,560 –> 00:27:44,120

am I having these thoughts, right?

 

612

00:27:44,120 –> 00:27:47,480

And she’s like, well, just like you need to start

 

613

00:27:47,480 –> 00:27:49,200

like holding space for it and saying like, you know,

 

614

00:27:49,200 –> 00:27:51,240

like, yeah, like, but what if that doesn’t happen?

 

615

00:27:51,240 –> 00:27:53,240

Have a thought, you don’t have to live in that thought,

 

616

00:27:53,240 –> 00:27:56,560

like recognize it and let’s move forward, you know?

 

617

00:27:56,560 –> 00:28:00,520

And trying to incorporate that into my everyday life

 

618

00:28:00,520 –> 00:28:03,040

has been like a lot more helpful.

 

619

00:28:03,040 –> 00:28:04,520

I’m not sitting here obsessing over things

 

620

00:28:04,520 –> 00:28:06,560

that could possibly happen that will probably never happen.

 

621

00:28:06,560 –> 00:28:09,520

And I’m saving that energy for other things.

 

622

00:28:09,520 –> 00:28:11,160

But going in situations like, you know what?

 

623

00:28:11,160 –> 00:28:12,920

If that does happen, we’ll cross that bridge

 

624

00:28:12,920 –> 00:28:14,440

when it does happen, you know?

 

625

00:28:14,440 –> 00:28:19,440

And it’s definitely been like the way better place to live.

 

626

00:28:20,400 –> 00:28:22,200

And granted, like, these are things

 

627

00:28:22,200 –> 00:28:23,840

that like I’m learning every day.

 

628

00:28:23,840 –> 00:28:25,240

This isn’t like happened overnight.

 

629

00:28:25,240 –> 00:28:26,640

Like I have therapy every week,

 

630

00:28:26,640 –> 00:28:29,040

but like, you know, I have to constantly try

 

631

00:28:29,040 –> 00:28:31,160

to think this way and shift these thoughts.

 

632

00:28:31,160 –> 00:28:32,320

And like, yes, it’s exhausting,

 

633

00:28:32,320 –> 00:28:33,480

but I do believe it’s helpful.

 

634

00:28:33,480 –> 00:28:34,720

It’s just progress.

 

635

00:28:34,720 –> 00:28:36,360

And I also don’t need to also live in a place

 

636

00:28:36,360 –> 00:28:38,000

where I just like have to just look

 

637

00:28:38,000 –> 00:28:39,120

at the bright side of everything.

 

638

00:28:39,120 –> 00:28:41,520

Like that’s also not a fair way to live as well.

 

639

00:28:41,520 –> 00:28:44,240

So like literally recognizing like, yeah, like this,

 

640

00:28:44,240 –> 00:28:46,440

this sucks, but I don’t have to live that.

 

641

00:28:46,440 –> 00:28:47,680

Exactly.

 

642

00:28:47,680 –> 00:28:49,080

Living that way is like,

 

643

00:28:49,080 –> 00:28:51,360

it’s like I’m living in a better body, right?

 

644

00:28:51,360 –> 00:28:52,800

That’s just like so good.

 

645

00:28:52,800 –> 00:28:56,880

Like, I’m so glad you’ve like gotten to that point.

 

646

00:28:56,880 –> 00:28:59,320

Well, your mind and body are so connected.

 

647

00:28:59,320 –> 00:29:01,200

You know, like I said, it’s not every day is like that,

 

648

00:29:01,200 –> 00:29:02,440

but like I’m learning more and more.

 

649

00:29:02,440 –> 00:29:03,440

But you’re learning, yes.

 

650

00:29:03,440 –> 00:29:04,280

Yeah, exactly.

 

651

00:29:04,280 –> 00:29:05,840

I mean, yeah, nobody’s ever like,

 

652

00:29:05,840 –> 00:29:07,360

I can’t snap my fingers and be like,

 

653

00:29:07,360 –> 00:29:10,360

oh, this is, today I’m gonna live like this.

 

654

00:29:10,360 –> 00:29:13,040

Like, no, I think just, you know, like we always,

 

655

00:29:13,040 –> 00:29:15,280

you know, we’ve talked about like giving ourselves grace

 

656

00:29:15,280 –> 00:29:16,400

on this podcast a lot.

 

657

00:29:16,400 –> 00:29:18,440

And I think it’s easier said than done.

 

658

00:29:18,440 –> 00:29:22,000

We all go through different things in life.

 

659

00:29:22,000 –> 00:29:24,800

And it’s always going to be a thing

 

660

00:29:24,800 –> 00:29:27,480

where you’re continuously working on yourself.

 

661

00:29:27,480 –> 00:29:29,120

It’s never gonna end.

 

662

00:29:29,120 –> 00:29:30,960

You’re gonna have good days, you’re gonna have bad days.

 

663

00:29:30,960 –> 00:29:33,880

But as long as you recognize that the things

 

664

00:29:33,880 –> 00:29:35,760

that are not working for you anymore,

 

665

00:29:35,760 –> 00:29:38,760

you make progress into changing that little by little.

 

666

00:29:38,760 –> 00:29:41,440

And you know, it’s not gonna change overnight.

 

667

00:29:41,440 –> 00:29:44,160

What you mentioned, Shauna, like it just takes time.

 

668

00:29:44,160 –> 00:29:45,320

You need to be patient.

 

669

00:29:46,280 –> 00:29:51,280

Some of the things in terms of just nutrition

 

670

00:29:51,280 –> 00:29:54,560

and staying active.

 

671

00:29:54,560 –> 00:29:57,800

One of the things that, you know,

 

672

00:29:57,800 –> 00:30:02,800

I did in the beginning of this year was dancing, right?

 

673

00:30:03,600 –> 00:30:07,360

And that is essentially just cardio.

 

674

00:30:07,360 –> 00:30:12,080

But what was missing was the strength training,

 

675

00:30:12,080 –> 00:30:16,080

increasing my bone health and making sure

 

676

00:30:16,080 –> 00:30:19,600

that I’m constantly focusing on that

 

677

00:30:19,600 –> 00:30:24,600

and also combat the side effects that I have been getting

 

678

00:30:26,720 –> 00:30:31,280

in terms of the aromatous inhibitor and the Lupron shots.

 

679

00:30:31,280 –> 00:30:36,280

I decided that, I believe it’s the past five weeks now,

 

680

00:30:36,280 –> 00:30:39,280

I joined a gym and the primary reason

 

681

00:30:39,280 –> 00:30:44,280

is to start lifting weights, obviously just going small

 

682

00:30:44,640 –> 00:30:46,320

and then maybe potentially going big.

 

683

00:30:46,320 –> 00:30:49,960

But, you know, my whole point of that

 

684

00:30:49,960 –> 00:30:54,360

is just to improve my mobility of my left arm.

 

685

00:30:54,360 –> 00:30:56,000

But, you know, as I mentioned,

 

686

00:30:56,000 –> 00:31:00,080

it’s essentially just to prevent bone loss,

 

687

00:31:00,080 –> 00:31:02,160

especially since I’m on this medication.

 

688

00:31:02,160 –> 00:31:06,400

The other thing that I did was my boyfriend

 

689

00:31:06,400 –> 00:31:11,400

has an electric bike he got as a gift from his work.

 

690

00:31:12,760 –> 00:31:15,120

I mean, it’s like a rental, but I say it’s a gift

 

691

00:31:15,120 –> 00:31:18,040

because I just think it’s amazing that his company

 

692

00:31:18,040 –> 00:31:21,320

just rented him this electric bike.

 

693

00:31:21,320 –> 00:31:26,200

But he was just like, hey, you should purchase a bike too

 

694

00:31:26,200 –> 00:31:28,080

so we can go on bike rides.

 

695

00:31:28,080 –> 00:31:30,880

I purchased the bike, not an electric bike,

 

696

00:31:30,880 –> 00:31:33,680

but I bought it at a pawn shop

 

697

00:31:33,680 –> 00:31:38,040

and I got it fixed up a bit, just checked,

 

698

00:31:38,040 –> 00:31:39,960

like went to the bike shop,

 

699

00:31:39,960 –> 00:31:41,800

checked for inspections and stuff.

 

700

00:31:41,800 –> 00:31:45,520

We’ve been going on bike rides just a few times

 

701

00:31:45,520 –> 00:31:49,560

going down Santa Monica, so that’s been super fun

 

702

00:31:49,560 –> 00:31:53,680

and just another way to stay active.

 

703

00:31:53,680 –> 00:31:55,680

Nat and I do that a lot when we’re out East

 

704

00:31:55,680 –> 00:31:56,800

and it’s fun.

 

705

00:31:56,800 –> 00:31:59,640

It is, it really is, yeah.

 

706

00:31:59,640 –> 00:32:01,600

Just get that fresh air.

 

707

00:32:01,600 –> 00:32:03,960

I just feel like you’ve accomplished so much

 

708

00:32:03,960 –> 00:32:07,600

the day instead of just like sitting on the couch.

 

709

00:32:08,560 –> 00:32:12,840

In terms of just nutritional education,

 

710

00:32:12,840 –> 00:32:17,600

being up to date in the knowledge that I can gain

 

711

00:32:17,600 –> 00:32:21,440

from different sources that I find online,

 

712

00:32:21,440 –> 00:32:24,800

I’ve been following different Instagram accounts

 

713

00:32:24,800 –> 00:32:28,080

and also podcasts about holistic health

 

714

00:32:28,080 –> 00:32:32,240

and ways to better eat your food essentially.

 

715

00:32:32,240 –> 00:32:35,120

So one of the Instagram accounts that I follow,

 

716

00:32:35,120 –> 00:32:37,360

her name is Glucose Goddess.

 

717

00:32:37,360 –> 00:32:42,360

She is a biochemist who creates simplistic comparison charts

 

718

00:32:42,520 –> 00:32:46,080

of different food groups and how to eat the food

 

719

00:32:46,080 –> 00:32:49,120

that could flatten or decrease your glucose spikes.

 

720

00:32:49,120 –> 00:32:51,640

The key things that I’ve learned from her

 

721

00:32:51,640 –> 00:32:55,240

is that big glucose spikes lead to inflammation,

 

722

00:32:55,240 –> 00:32:59,640

aging, gaining weight and not being able to burn fat,

 

723

00:32:59,640 –> 00:33:03,600

deregulated hormones, energy swings, hunger and cravings.

 

724

00:33:03,600 –> 00:33:08,120

How she calculated the way that you should eat your food

 

725

00:33:08,120 –> 00:33:11,800

in the right order is to eat your veggies first,

 

726

00:33:11,800 –> 00:33:15,400

then your protein and fats, then your starch.

 

727

00:33:15,400 –> 00:33:17,280

And if you want to eat dessert,

 

728

00:33:17,280 –> 00:33:19,640

it is best to do it after you eat a meal

 

729

00:33:19,640 –> 00:33:21,600

and not on an empty stomach.

 

730

00:33:21,600 –> 00:33:25,080

And then also after you eat a meal,

 

731

00:33:25,080 –> 00:33:28,640

you walk to just get all that food

 

732

00:33:28,640 –> 00:33:32,200

to just process well in your body and such like that.

 

733

00:33:32,200 –> 00:33:35,320

So I’ve been doing that for a few months now.

 

734

00:33:35,320 –> 00:33:38,160

I’ve been eating my vegetables first

 

735

00:33:38,160 –> 00:33:40,680

and then going through that order.

 

736

00:33:40,680 –> 00:33:45,680

And I definitely feel that my cravings has lessened for sure.

 

737

00:33:47,480 –> 00:33:51,200

I just felt like my overall mood has changed.

 

738

00:33:51,200 –> 00:33:54,400

The other Instagram account that I’ve been following

 

739

00:33:54,400 –> 00:33:58,800

for the past two years, but I just love who she is.

 

740

00:33:58,800 –> 00:34:02,600

I love her personality and I love who she is as a person.

 

741

00:34:02,600 –> 00:34:04,480

Her name is Organic Olivia.

 

742

00:34:04,480 –> 00:34:05,920

She’s an herbalist.

 

743

00:34:05,920 –> 00:34:09,720

She’s like 28 years old, so she’s kind of similar to my age.

 

744

00:34:09,720 –> 00:34:13,360

But even though she has her own set of brands,

 

745

00:34:13,360 –> 00:34:18,080

she sells like tincture, herbs and different supplements.

 

746

00:34:18,080 –> 00:34:21,200

But she takes you through the things

 

747

00:34:21,200 –> 00:34:24,280

that she’s currently going through in her life.

 

748

00:34:24,280 –> 00:34:27,120

Just a couple of things that she was going through

 

749

00:34:27,120 –> 00:34:31,880

is like minimizing caffeine and the reason why she’s doing that.

 

750

00:34:31,880 –> 00:34:35,720

And she kind of takes you throughout that whole journey,

 

751

00:34:35,720 –> 00:34:37,640

which I think is like absolutely amazing

 

752

00:34:37,640 –> 00:34:40,240

and sometimes like inspirational as well,

 

753

00:34:40,240 –> 00:34:41,360

because then you’re like,

 

754

00:34:41,360 –> 00:34:44,040

oh, should I minimize caffeine as well?

 

755

00:34:44,040 –> 00:34:48,720

She also did like a challenge where she walked

 

756

00:34:48,720 –> 00:34:53,000

like three times a day for the past, I think, couple months.

 

757

00:34:53,000 –> 00:34:58,800

And she noticed that her overall mood has changed, has elevated.

 

758

00:34:58,800 –> 00:35:03,280

She felt like in terms of her weight, she lost a few pounds.

 

759

00:35:03,280 –> 00:35:04,840

She feels great.

 

760

00:35:04,840 –> 00:35:08,840

Whenever she shares her stories on Instagram,

 

761

00:35:08,840 –> 00:35:11,680

I think it just comes organically

 

762

00:35:11,680 –> 00:35:14,560

and it’s something that she’s currently dealing with

 

763

00:35:14,560 –> 00:35:17,320

and she wants to share with her followers,

 

764

00:35:17,320 –> 00:35:22,480

like what she’s doing to better her lifestyle, her health.

 

765

00:35:22,480 –> 00:35:26,160

And she’s continuously like working and being educated.

 

766

00:35:26,160 –> 00:35:29,360

And the other thing I’ve learned, I don’t know if it’s just me.

 

767

00:35:29,360 –> 00:35:31,960

I don’t know if I’m just like the dumb one, who knows?

 

768

00:35:31,960 –> 00:35:34,920

But I learned about dental health from her.

 

769

00:35:34,920 –> 00:35:41,040

And one of the key things I learned that I completely changed

 

770

00:35:41,040 –> 00:35:49,240

like how I do my oral health is essentially flossing before brushing.

 

771

00:35:49,240 –> 00:35:54,720

I’ve always done it where I brush my teeth first, then I floss.

 

772

00:35:54,720 –> 00:36:00,000

But it’s a total game changer for me when I floss first, then brush.

 

773

00:36:00,000 –> 00:36:03,960

I don’t know about you, Shauna, if you do that in that order.

 

774

00:36:03,960 –> 00:36:05,440

No, I think I’ve done it backwards.

 

775

00:36:05,440 –> 00:36:06,400

Yeah.

 

776

00:36:06,400 –> 00:36:07,960

No.

 

777

00:36:07,960 –> 00:36:08,760

Why so?

 

778

00:36:08,760 –> 00:36:09,520

Just out of curiosity.

 

779

00:36:09,520 –> 00:36:13,320

What I’ve learned is that you want to take the gunk out

 

780

00:36:13,320 –> 00:36:19,440

because if you brush your teeth first, it pushes the gunk in.

 

781

00:36:19,440 –> 00:36:26,840

And it might be harder for you to take everything out once you floss after.

 

782

00:36:26,840 –> 00:36:31,320

When I’ve been flossing first and then brushing after like six months.

 

783

00:36:31,320 –> 00:36:36,680

When I went to see the dentist, he mentioned that my teeth looked great.

 

784

00:36:36,680 –> 00:36:41,800

Because a lot of times when I’ve been to the dentist in the past,

 

785

00:36:41,800 –> 00:36:45,360

they always tell me that I need to floss more.

 

786

00:36:45,360 –> 00:36:50,400

I bleed with my gums and sometimes I don’t look healthy.

 

787

00:36:50,400 –> 00:36:56,120

But at this point in my life, they have been looking healthy

 

788

00:36:56,120 –> 00:36:59,080

because I’ve been flossing every fucking day.

 

789

00:36:59,080 –> 00:37:04,120

So yeah, I think oral health is important as well.

 

790

00:37:04,120 –> 00:37:07,520

And also because chemo can really mess with your teeth as well.

 

791

00:37:07,520 –> 00:37:14,560

And that is exactly why I’ve decided to take my oral health seriously.

 

792

00:37:14,560 –> 00:37:20,480

In terms of a podcast, I listened to Dr. Gonzalez.

 

793

00:37:20,480 –> 00:37:23,320

I believe his podcast is called Heal Thyself.

 

794

00:37:23,320 –> 00:37:28,440

He’s a naturopathic doctor who is focusing on giving people the tools they need

 

795

00:37:28,440 –> 00:37:32,520

to truly heal from the inside out and bringing in experts

 

796

00:37:32,520 –> 00:37:35,680

to talk about relative issues about health.

 

797

00:37:35,680 –> 00:37:39,560

Bringing in experts, what are the things that we need to look for currently?

 

798

00:37:39,560 –> 00:37:44,760

What is being toxic in our environment, in the clothes that we wear,

 

799

00:37:44,760 –> 00:37:47,120

in the makeup that we buy?

 

800

00:37:47,120 –> 00:37:50,760

And then talks about stress and gut health, he mentions as well.

 

801

00:37:50,760 –> 00:37:55,040

So I just find his podcast to be super informative.

 

802

00:37:55,040 –> 00:37:58,080

I just think that overall knowledge is great to have.

 

803

00:37:58,080 –> 00:38:02,360

One of the experts that he brought in, her name is Dr. Yvonne.

 

804

00:38:02,360 –> 00:38:04,600

She’s a toxicity expert.

 

805

00:38:04,600 –> 00:38:09,520

Some of the things that I’ve learned from her is purchasing skincare,

 

806

00:38:09,520 –> 00:38:12,960

makeup products that are non-toxic.

 

807

00:38:12,960 –> 00:38:17,040

Cosmetics and personal care products are the most underrepresented sources

 

808

00:38:17,040 –> 00:38:18,840

of toxic exposure.

 

809

00:38:18,840 –> 00:38:21,560

She empowers you to be more educated and knowledgeable

 

810

00:38:21,560 –> 00:38:27,600

in learning to read the ingredient labels and how to live a low toxic life.

 

811

00:38:27,600 –> 00:38:29,840

So I follow her on Instagram as well.

 

812

00:38:29,840 –> 00:38:35,920

And I’ve gradually started to shift over some things.

 

813

00:38:35,920 –> 00:38:39,840

But then I kind of stopped that.

 

814

00:38:39,840 –> 00:38:46,040

And then I kind of continued with the bronzer that I used to wear and I loved.

 

815

00:38:46,040 –> 00:38:53,080

And now I shifted back into only using clean makeup products

 

816

00:38:53,080 –> 00:38:54,840

and personal care products.

 

817

00:38:54,840 –> 00:38:57,920

The thing that she mentions that you want to get rid of stuff

 

818

00:38:57,920 –> 00:39:00,680

is one thing at a time, right?

 

819

00:39:00,680 –> 00:39:03,840

You don’t want to do it all at once because you’re going to overwhelm yourself.

 

820

00:39:03,840 –> 00:39:11,160

Definitely did it in different stages because I just want to live a low toxic lifestyle

 

821

00:39:11,160 –> 00:39:16,400

as much as I can in terms of the products that I use on my body.

 

822

00:39:16,400 –> 00:39:21,640

Those are the IG accounts and the podcasts that I’ve been listening to.

 

823

00:39:21,640 –> 00:39:26,240

And then lastly, I just want to mention I went to see a naturopathic doctor.

 

824

00:39:26,240 –> 00:39:34,360

And the reason why I decided to see one is because I loved, absolutely loved

 

825

00:39:34,360 –> 00:39:37,160

the naturopathic doctor that I had back in Seattle.

 

826

00:39:37,160 –> 00:39:44,000

I felt that I’ve learned so much more than a traditional physician

 

827

00:39:44,000 –> 00:39:45,560

that I’ve seen in the past.

 

828

00:39:45,560 –> 00:39:52,240

In my personal opinion, I felt that they provide way more information

 

829

00:39:52,240 –> 00:39:59,560

of just understanding how your body works, being more educated on what causes inflammation

 

830

00:39:59,560 –> 00:40:01,480

and toxins in your body.

 

831

00:40:01,480 –> 00:40:08,120

Also, they talk about gut health, where I feel like my primary physician does not

 

832

00:40:08,120 –> 00:40:11,640

and I’ve never had any doctor talk about gut health.

 

833

00:40:11,640 –> 00:40:14,600

We talked about different tests.

 

834

00:40:14,600 –> 00:40:21,000

I took a microbiome gut health test and I also took a heavy metal exam.

 

835

00:40:21,000 –> 00:40:26,000

I actually just saw her this past Wednesday and we went through my results.

 

836

00:40:26,000 –> 00:40:30,160

And essentially with the heavy metals test, everything was normal.

 

837

00:40:30,160 –> 00:40:37,200

In terms of the gut health, I do have a few information of just bad bacteria.

 

838

00:40:37,200 –> 00:40:42,280

And so she’s been helping me in trying to get rid of those.

 

839

00:40:42,280 –> 00:40:46,960

But one of the things that I love about her is the first thing that I mentioned to her

 

840

00:40:46,960 –> 00:40:48,840

was I have breast cancer.

 

841

00:40:48,840 –> 00:40:55,640

You cannot prescribe me with anything that could disrupt the current medication that

 

842

00:40:55,640 –> 00:41:01,000

I have or anything that produces hormones, estrogen or periosteone.

 

843

00:41:01,000 –> 00:41:04,200

And so I specifically mentioned that to her.

 

844

00:41:04,200 –> 00:41:10,600

I absolutely love her and I feel that I’ve gotten so much education from her in terms

 

845

00:41:10,600 –> 00:41:17,000

of different ways that I can take care of my body besides just seeing an oncologist

 

846

00:41:17,000 –> 00:41:19,680

and how I can prevent cancer.

 

847

00:41:19,680 –> 00:41:24,360

Because the thing that I got frustrated with my oncologist, maybe I just thought that my

 

848

00:41:24,360 –> 00:41:30,520

oncologist is knowledgeable in everything and I felt like maybe she could tell me about

 

849

00:41:30,520 –> 00:41:32,240

how to take care of my body in general.

 

850

00:41:32,240 –> 00:41:38,720

But essentially they don’t provide that information and I think they are only an expert in oncology

 

851

00:41:38,720 –> 00:41:39,720

per se.

 

852

00:41:39,720 –> 00:41:42,720

They’re not an expert in nutrition or any of that.

 

853

00:41:42,720 –> 00:41:47,280

So I don’t think they could really provide you in-depth information.

 

854

00:41:47,280 –> 00:41:53,280

I was really frustrated with my oncologist and I was like, okay, maybe she’s not the

 

855

00:41:53,280 –> 00:41:56,640

right person to ask these specific questions.

 

856

00:41:56,640 –> 00:42:01,760

I think it needs to be someone else who is more knowledgeable.

 

857

00:42:01,760 –> 00:42:09,080

I definitely learned so much from my naturopathic doctor and those are the steps I’ve gradually

 

858

00:42:09,080 –> 00:42:10,080

been taking.

 

859

00:42:10,080 –> 00:42:13,360

It didn’t happen all in one night.

 

860

00:42:13,360 –> 00:42:19,880

These have gradually been a thing over the past six months that I’ve been educating

 

861

00:42:19,880 –> 00:42:20,880

myself.

 

862

00:42:20,880 –> 00:42:24,320

I think that this was like a kind of like love that we did this episode.

 

863

00:42:24,320 –> 00:42:33,080

I feel like there’s no rhyme or reason to getting your body back into some sort of rhythm.

 

864

00:42:33,080 –> 00:42:41,960

It could be anything from mental health, gut health, diet, exercise, going out with friends.

 

865

00:42:41,960 –> 00:42:48,640

Such a wide variety of things to do to maintain whatever this quote unquote healthy lifestyle

 

866

00:42:48,640 –> 00:42:49,640

is.

 

867

00:42:49,640 –> 00:42:50,640

Everybody is different.

 

868

00:42:50,640 –> 00:42:51,640

Exactly.

 

869

00:42:51,640 –> 00:42:56,680

It’s whatever works for you mentally and physically.

 

870

00:42:56,680 –> 00:43:00,520

Thank you all for listening and supporting our podcast.

 

871

00:43:00,520 –> 00:43:05,760

Sharing our stories with you has been incredibly healing for both of us and we hope it helps

 

872

00:43:05,760 –> 00:43:08,560

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873

00:43:08,560 –> 00:43:13,620

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874

00:43:13,620 –> 00:43:18,400

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875

00:43:18,400 –> 00:43:19,400

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876

00:43:19,400 –> 00:43:27,640

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877

00:43:27,640 –> 00:43:30,080

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878

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